Yanko Design’s latest foray into storytelling and design thinking arrives in the form of the new podcast series, Design Mindset, premiering every Friday. This series is dedicated to exploring the journeys, philosophies, and creative risks behind the world’s most influential designers and innovators. Each week, listeners are invited to peel back the curtain on the mindset that fuels exceptional design, with in-depth interviews that dig into both career highs and the pivotal moments of reinvention that define creative leadership.
The fifth episode features none other than Robert Brunner, a true titan of industrial design. Brunner is renowned as the founder of Ammunition Design, the studio behind the iconic Beats by Dre headphones, as well as collaborations with Polaroid, Ember, Square, and many more. His career has spanned from co-founding Luna Design in the early 1980s to serving as Apple’s Director of Industrial Design, where he established the company’s influential internal design organization and even championed Jonathan Ive as his successor. With works housed in MoMA’s permanent collection and a spot on Fast Company’s list of most creative people in business, Brunner’s influence on the design world is undeniable.
Designing Your Destiny: How Brunner Prototypes His Life
Robert Brunner’s storied career is a masterclass in what he terms “prototyping your life.” He approaches each major pivot not as a leap of faith, but as a calculated design project, complete with research, testing, and iteration. This mindset reframes a career path from a linear progression into a dynamic series of experiments. “I’ve always had some sort of underlying plan in what I wanted to do, but really sort of working through how I wanted to design that plan to happen,” Brunner explains. “Opportunities come up and how you address them is key… that is an example of prototyping your life, really sort of thinking about that and testing it and then finally implementing it.”
This philosophy was never more apparent than in his decision to leave Apple. At a time when the company was on the cusp of astronomical growth, Brunner walked away not because he was pushed out, but because his creative mission felt complete. “I don’t think I could have stayed. I probably would have been fired because I just wasn’t enjoying it anymore. So it was time to do something else,” he reflects. The subsequent, unexpected offer to join Pentagram as a partner was his next prototype, a move that prioritized creative fulfillment over a potentially lucrative, yet stifling, corporate trajectory.
The Courage to Start Over: Risk is Not a Four-Letter Word
Risk is a constant thread in Brunner’s narrative, but it is always tempered with profound introspection. He argues that before any significant change can be made, one must confront the difficult questions about their core motivations. Making a massive life change, whether leaving a stable job or starting a new venture, demands an unwavering sense of purpose. According to Brunner, this requires a deep “willingness to endure hardships, accept setbacks, and make sacrifices. Without this commitment, failure is likely.”
For those paralyzed by the fear of starting over, Brunner’s advice is both pragmatic and empowering: “Have courage. But lean on the people you know. Lean on your family, friends, and career associates. Don’t be afraid to ask for advice.” It’s a call to leverage your network not as a crutch, but as a vital feedback loop in your personal prototyping process. True reinvention, in his view, is not a solo act but a collaborative effort built on a foundation of support and honest conversation.
Beats, Culture, and the Myth of the Audiophile
The interview provides a fascinating look inside the creation of Beats by Dre, a product that became a cultural phenomenon by intentionally defying industry conventions. Brunner reveals that the goal was never to win over the audio purists. Instead, the team focused on capturing a feeling and connecting with a generation that had been overlooked by high-end audio brands. “Audiophiles were not our audience, right? So we didn’t really care if an audiophile gave us a poor review,” Brunner states. “What mattered was…the kid wearing the headphones listening to their favorite hip-hop song was feeling it. That was the thing.”
The unprecedented success of Beats stemmed from this unique intersection of design thinking and raw cultural intuition. Brunner credits the synergy between himself and music moguls Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre, who understood the emotional power of music better than anyone. “There was this connection and respect…they viewed me as an artist the way they viewed themselves as artists,” he says. This mutual respect allowed them to create a product that wasn’t just about sound specifications; it was about identity, status, and the pure, unadulterated feeling of the music.
The Un-Design Skill You Can’t Live Without
When pressed to name the single most important skill for navigating major life transitions, Brunner’s answer is simple and has nothing to do with aesthetics or methodology: “Resilience.” This quality, he suggests, is the engine that drives progress through the inevitable friction of change. It’s the ability to absorb setbacks, learn from them, and continue moving forward, even when the path is unclear. His mantra is refreshingly straightforward: “Just keep your feet moving forward, one step at a time.”
This ethos beautifully complements his design-centric approach to life. While prototyping provides the framework for change, resilience provides the fuel. Life, much like a complex design problem, is not solved with a single dramatic breakthrough but through a series of small, persistent steps. “Life transitions don’t have to be dramatic leaps into the unknown,” Brunner concludes. “They can be designed, prototyped, and tested just like any other design problem.”
The Next Iteration: What Brunner is Prototyping Now
Never one to rest on his laurels, Robert Brunner is already working on his next iteration. He reveals that he is channeling his insights and experiences into a new book, tentatively titled ‘Making Great,’ which promises to explore the confluence of leadership, design, and product excellence. This project signals a shift toward sharing his knowledge on a broader scale, as he also increases his focus on public speaking and mentorship.
For those inspired by his journey and eager to follow his work, Brunner remains accessible through his personal Instagram, @robertdbruner, and the official account for his firm, @AmmunitionGroup. As the premiere episode of Design Mindset demonstrates, the most important product any of us will ever design is our own life. And with another episode dropping next week, the series is poised to continue exploring the minds of those who do it best.
Design Mindset continues next week with another leading voice in design, delivering more insights on the creative process and the courage it takes to reinvent both work and self.
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